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From: g87
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Subject: Catholic Chutzpah: It Pells for thee, cardinal
Pell
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Catholic
Chutzpah: It Pells for thee, cardinal Pell
''Poor
little Jewish people, they were originally shepherds..''
He
should not have inadvertently quoted the Hebrew Psalm #23: which the Church has
plundered / plagiarised / re - used/ from classical Jewish sources [take your
choice, editor!]
The
Lord is my shepherd ....
I
ask the Cardinal: given how Jews have been tormented and murdered by scores
of yours and other civilized peoples over the millenia - why have all of
them essentially disappeared?
Even
the Romans have been reduced to a tiny plot in the vainglorious Vatican.
OK
editor - delete 'vainglorious' - it is nice alliteration though!
The
Jews survived - and plainly dominated any list of Nobel prize winners? And more
- much more. And you know it.
Pell
- you are in denial.
How
did you expect that the only one of the three major religions [the Jews] to not
so behave to the other two - to be other than shepherds?
When
the rest of the so - called 'civilized' world came to be closer to being so -
the Jews became / were allowed to excel - and they became other than shepherds,
money lenders. [don't get me started!]
The founder of your religion was a
shepherd, Cardinal.
But
I plaintively ask: why doth ye motivate yourself to mention this big - time
looser comment? How could you be so lacking in guile?
All I see is some obscene comparison
between the suffering of Nazi
Germany
and the victims as I look in vain
for solace, excuse in the original text of the Q & A programme - and the
justification the Cardinal promulgated in last week's Jewish
News
In the name of the 6 million murdered by
the Nazis - I impeach, condemn and denounce you.
Your
comments were too deliberative and your apologies mealy - mouthed, self serving
clap trap!
Thank
goodness we live in a society that forces you to apologize for behaviour
untenable.
Geoff
Seidner
GS:IN THE NAME OF VERONKA SCHEFFER: I DENOUNCE YOU, CARDINAL PELL
The below was emailed
to Cardinal Pell on Wednesday 11/4/12
approx 12.45 pm
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IN THE NAME OF VERONKA SCHEFFER: I DENOUNCE YOU, CARDINAL PELL!
You have had well over 24 hours to respond: you are not going to, are you? You are too busy opening some art gallery or whatever ....I barely hear on the news.
Plainly you do not have a visage of my gorgeous 4 year old aunty Veronka Scheffer to disturb you.
I never knew this lovely, adorable little girl; she was murdered by the German Nazis 2 years before I was born.
As I wrote earlier - I impeach the horrible visage your public utterance gave me - how ''No people have suffered in history as much as the German people.''
I condemn the utter ahistorical asinine absurd study in comparative obscenity that you so glibly, deliberately conjured.
I denounce you as being contemptuous of basic humanity - in daring to make such a comparison - then to make sure no one misunderstood - essentialy refuseing to withdraw it via:
''Yes - the Jews too''
The German Nazis just had enough time to kill her before the German Nazis were routed. my mother used to tell me how this child - whose life was snuffed out in those German gas chambers and incineration machinery of Auschwitz, looked to her as a mother figure.
They adored each other, Cardinal Pell.
BUT I AM HERE CARDINAL: MY PARENTS SO OBVIOUSLY SURVIVED - AND I AM HERE TO HURL MY EPITHETS AT YOU AND THE CHURCH FOR ACTS OF
OMMISSION AND COMMISSION BY THE UNPIUS POPES ET AL!!@^#%#$@
x. That is - the tenth of the pius ones methinks?
To the shame of your church they have chosen to refuse all entreaties to admit what Pius and others did_ it resides in your archives, Cardinal!
While you are about it - why don't you read the article in The Australian//////////////see link below!
And my unanswerable email re your archives--- wherein you have stored Jewish religious items you have plundered!!
See my email on the very bottom of these files!
Answer me, Cardinal!
To the shame of - you claim him sinless - like all other popes - even those who murdered Jews as they plaintively refused to be converted under the so - called Crusades!
And there are hundreds more acts of murder and mayhem they were responsible for. Sinless - huh?
Tell me Cardinal - which of the major religions have ever done anything to the other two?
My people have suffered from being OFFICIALLY demonized by your Church: thus the denoument on this via an earlier papal encyclical.
To his credit - it was Pope Paul xxiii?
But you come along - and further besmirch your Church's reputation!
You have a lot to answer for - I hold in Limbo why I think you did this!
I send you the Prime Minister of Israel's speech recently: NEVER AGAIN CARDINAL!!
NEVER AGAIN WILL OUR PEOPLE TOLERATE THIS OBSCENE TAILORED GARBAGE FROM YOU !
Read the speech Cardinal - it has salience for you!
approx 12.45 pm
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IN THE NAME OF VERONKA SCHEFFER: I DENOUNCE YOU, CARDINAL PELL!
You have had well over 24 hours to respond: you are not going to, are you? You are too busy opening some art gallery or whatever ....I barely hear on the news.
Plainly you do not have a visage of my gorgeous 4 year old aunty Veronka Scheffer to disturb you.
I never knew this lovely, adorable little girl; she was murdered by the German Nazis 2 years before I was born.
As I wrote earlier - I impeach the horrible visage your public utterance gave me - how ''No people have suffered in history as much as the German people.''
I condemn the utter ahistorical asinine absurd study in comparative obscenity that you so glibly, deliberately conjured.
I denounce you as being contemptuous of basic humanity - in daring to make such a comparison - then to make sure no one misunderstood - essentialy refuseing to withdraw it via:
''Yes - the Jews too''
Mind you - this pathetic non - vitiation came
about only because you were confronted
with a very basic synopsis of the Jews and the ultimate horror of the holocaust
by comperer Tony Jones!
Oh yes - I think I am beginning you
understand you now Cardinal your
eminence!
The German Nazis just had enough time to kill her before the German Nazis were routed. my mother used to tell me how this child - whose life was snuffed out in those German gas chambers and incineration machinery of Auschwitz, looked to her as a mother figure.
They adored each other, Cardinal Pell.
- I guess you can see the 50 million dead the German Nazis [quote you on Q and A] caused. But not Veronka or the six million.
- No - you can see only how terrible it must have been for the German Nazis to drag her innocent tiny body ready for Jewish workers to throw her into the incinerator!!
- No - you can see how terrible it must have been to perchance make soap of her!!
- No - you can see how terrible it must have been to perchance make lampshades of her beautiful skin!!
- No - you can see how terrible it must have been for Germans to perchance use her hair as a wig!!
- No - I guess you can vitiate all traces of her and the Six Million by contemplating how the German Nazis suffered post traumatic stress disorder because too many Jews survived!
- No - I guess you contemplated how terrible it must have been for the German Nazi to come home after a hard day at the death factory!
- How difficult to describe how maybe they 'did their backs in' as they watched Jews throw her body into the incinerator!
- 'Poor' Germans - pathetic you!
- At least the modern - day Germans would have possibly had you arrested for essentially denying the holocaust! You deserve it Cardinal: you are more influential than the sick, unsubtle David Irving.
BUT I AM HERE CARDINAL: MY PARENTS SO OBVIOUSLY SURVIVED - AND I AM HERE TO HURL MY EPITHETS AT YOU AND THE CHURCH FOR ACTS OF
OMMISSION AND COMMISSION BY THE UNPIUS POPES ET AL!!@^#%#$@
x. That is - the tenth of the pius ones methinks?
To the shame of your church they have chosen to refuse all entreaties to admit what Pius and others did_ it resides in your archives, Cardinal!
While you are about it - why don't you read the article in The Australian//////////////see link below!
And my unanswerable email re your archives--- wherein you have stored Jewish religious items you have plundered!!
See my email on the very bottom of these files!
Answer me, Cardinal!
The Australian - Shroud of secrecy lifts from Vatican archives
www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx?...
2 Mar 2012 – ROME: The Vatican is
giving the public a rare, if temporary, peek inside its secret archive. The
Vatican kicked off a sixmonth exhibit at Rome's ...
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11/04/12
To the shame of - you claim him sinless - like all other popes - even those who murdered Jews as they plaintively refused to be converted under the so - called Crusades!
And there are hundreds more acts of murder and mayhem they were responsible for. Sinless - huh?
Tell me Cardinal - which of the major religions have ever done anything to the other two?
My people have suffered from being OFFICIALLY demonized by your Church: thus the denoument on this via an earlier papal encyclical.
To his credit - it was Pope Paul xxiii?
But you come along - and further besmirch your Church's reputation!
You have a lot to answer for - I hold in Limbo why I think you did this!
I send you the Prime Minister of Israel's speech recently: NEVER AGAIN CARDINAL!!
NEVER AGAIN WILL OUR PEOPLE TOLERATE THIS OBSCENE TAILORED GARBAGE FROM YOU !
Read the speech Cardinal - it has salience for you!
He
For whom the bell tolls
www.phrases.org.uk › Phrase
Dictionary - Meanings and Origins
For whom
the bell tolls - the meaning and origin of this saying. ... involved in
mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for
thee." ..For whom the bell tolls
Meaning
A quotation from a work by John Donne, in which he explores
the interconnectedness of humanity - see below.
Origin
John Donne (1572-1631), Devotions Upon Emergent
Occasions, Meditation XVII: Nunc Lento Sonitu Dicunt, Morieris:
"Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that....No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."
Donne lived in Tudor and Stewart England, and at that time
the tolling of church bells, to mark various events, was an important feature of
daily life. The tolling referred to in the quotation is, of course, that of
funeral bells. Donne's view, which has, oddly for a 17th century Christian, much
in common with 21st century eastern religions, was that all people are socially
and religiously interconnected; for example, the contemporary Buddhist view is
demonstrated by the reply given by the Dalai Lama, when asked during a visit to
Northern Ireland how the warring Protestants and Catholics could co-exist:
"Remember we are all one - all the same". Donne seems to be saying, whatever
affects one affects us all. This is highlighted by the famous 'no man is an
island' line at the beginning of the 'for whom the bells tolls' paragraph.
Donne's Meditations concern man's spiritual and social
functioning, especially with regard to illness and death. They are somewhat
mystical and difficult to interpret, especially without the benefit of an
experience of the nuances of the social and religious sensibilities of a 17th
century Englishman. It is a testament to his insight that the work contains much
that strikes deep chords with people living and dying today.
There's some debate about what precisely was meant; some
view it simply that Donne was pointing out people's mortality and that when a
funeral bell was heard it was a reminder that we are nearer death each day, i.e.
the bell is tolling for us. Others view it more mystically and argue that Donne
is saying we are all one and that, when one dies, we all die a little. This
isn't as bleak as it might sound, as the counterpoint would be that there is
some part of the living in the dead and that we continue a form of life after
death.
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Ernest Hemingway helped to make the phrase commonplace in
the language when he chose to use the quotation for the title of his
1940-published book about the Spanish Civil War. Hemingway refers back to 'for
whom the bells tolls' and to 'no man is an island' to demonstrate and to examine
his feelings of solidarity with the allied groups fighting the fascists. There
was a strong feeling amongst many intellectuals around the world at the time
that it was a moral duty to fight fascism, which they feared may take root
world-wide if not checked. This was given voice later in the well-known
poem, First They Came for the Jews, attributed to Pastor Martin
Niemöller:
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Hemingway adapted the novel as the screenplay to a
successful 1943 film of the same title, starring Gary Cooper and Ingrid
Bergman.
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